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January 2001.
everyone
has to stick together and shop them but also the police have to do
something about it as well. The
co-op have some names of a couple of lads that have been doing all this
but the police havent acted on this information. This
article made it sound like there were 60 yobs together doing this. I
live very near the co-op at the most there is 10-15 at once. this
article made the estate seem 10 times worse than it is
Hi I
lived on the Larches until 1979 (When I got married and moved to Hoghton -
yes we have a 'yob' problem here too). I
spent more than the first half of my life in Kirkland Place and attended
Larches County Primary School. I'm
sorry to hear about the problems that you seem to be having - I remember
The Larches as being a 'great place to live'. Below
are details about my band. If we can be of any assistance ie a fund-raiser
for your campaign funds - please ask.
I
picked up your "flyer" from the Late shop on Larches today - I
had heard of the headline in the LEP (although I hadn't read it) and I
have to say that this is typical of their type of journalism - they are a
two bit, non important, publication - trying to be big time - they never
will be but they'll keep trying by printing absolute rubbish like this. I
live just off Larches Lane...... I have never felt threatened by the kids
who hang around the Late shop but I do know from my 16 year old daughter
and her friends (they don't hang around there!) that it isn't just Larches
kids, they're coming form Lea and Savick. Why
aren't the police around more? Why aren't they doing something to
help? Let's be honest about this - the kids aren't blameless but the
police are not doing their job - and this, coupled with the RANTINGS of
the Lancashire Evening Post do absolutely nothing to help. The
shopping area in Larches looks like something out of Beirut - why?
Because the shops are going out of business. Why? Because Morrisons
are putting on free buses down to their supermarket so the local shops
cannot survive. You see this part of the estate starting to look
like a slum clearance area ..... the kids will start to congregate .....
and what happens then? What is happening now. Keep
up the good work - if you need any help, please let me know. Regards
Hi, Im glad that someone has taken some stand in larches. Although I don’t think the problem is as big as the paper said why aren’t the parents of these kids finding out what they do at night? Keep up the good work, and I support you in the web site.
Congratulations on your new web site ! its great to know there are like minded adults on the estates Larches / Savic, who are trying too form some kind of a cummunity spirit in the area's as a 64 yrs young resident of Savic i have seen like so many other residents the demise of the estate's and felt powerless in my approach to the so called yob faction that frequent the area,even more so of late.When approached the result has been one of verble abuse which is XXX rated its not worthy of print ! the things that have been going on of late are many, what i and my close neighbour's are concerned about is the distruction caused by the younger element on the estates ! for a laugh the say, or they are bored / nothing else to do.Its the same story each time my wife or i approach them (which by the way we have had to stop due to our health) the intimidation felt by us and most of the like minded people on the estate's from such a young element ! does not augur well for the future of the estate's.So what can be done ? who is at fault.? The media / residents say, the Parents/School's/ council /Police/ drugs and of cause the enviroment the so called yob culture have to live in. who if any is at fault ? could it be the individual's who cause so much distruption too our lives at fault ? do the afore named powers ? break the windows,upturn the litter bins / set them on fire, smash the bus shelters,etc i dont think so.We know their faces by seeing them so often.But not their names,what if anything could shame them into law abiding yougsters (some not so young) many things have been suggested all to no avail.So far my comments have been negative i agree Then how about some positive view points ? for starters CCTV points around the area NO (N0T cost Effective ? ) More Police on view / That would leave the police open too critical statements of OVER POLICING ! how about residence having a link line, like the pub link line in the town centre so that contact No can pass on the movements of the groups causing problems within the larches & Savic area's a hot line that the police on patrol by foot or cars can be directed to the gangs,instead of having to look for them.. i will be on line again to you once more may i wish your web site good fortune and many hits during future months' The Presbytery 64 Larches Lane Preston PR2 1PP
e-mail Simon@shawksworth.freeserve.co.uk
Dear Larches Community Website,
Many thanks for your letter with the accompanying leaflets which I will gladly make available to my parishioners. I read the article in the LEP with some bemusement! Having worked on the 'Raffles Estate' in Carlisle and central Blackpool, I can honestly say that the Larches (or certainly Larches Lane) is one of the quietest places I have lived. It is true that a group of youngsters do hang about the late shop causing a nuisance but I feel that the LEP seemed to tar the whole of the estate with the problem.
Incidences of vandalism to Our Lady & St. Bernard's Church and St. Bernard's Men's Club are fortunately not too much of a problem at the moment but I am grateful for your efforts to combat the anti-social behaviour and if I or my congregation can be of any assistance please let me know.
Yours sincerely,
Fr. Simon D. Hawksworth
i feel the comment regarding the youths being driven over to the savick is utter rubbish.personally i have lived on both the savick and the larches and in the time i lived on the savick which was five years ago the trouble was already happening on the savick estate then.im not trying to split hairs but the fact of the matter is that the larches and the savick should be united on ridding both the estates of these thugs instead of coming out with comments such as "youths being driven from the larches to the savick"
These
publications are disgusting they do not get the correct facts before they
publish. The
lancashire evening post publishing about 60 yobs has just encouraged more
to come over from other estates. Origanally
it was around 4or 5 actually causing vandalism which all but one come from
Lea, the co-op have their names but nothing has been done, the others were
just standing around and then ruuning when these trouble makers did
anything, we live right near the co-op. Since
the publication we have another big group coming over from the savick
causing trouble this group are also causing trouble down at the docks.We
were at Mcdonalds on Saturday evening and saw the group causing trouble
when the police came they collared two thugs both from Savick! the police
just talked to them for a bit then let them go, all they did then was come
straight on to larches re-group on what the kids call the granny park then
carry on causing trouble WHY DID THE POLICE NOT DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM !
It
may be early days yet ie 48hrs, But Tues
16th (at night time) was may i say relitivly quiet,could that be due too
one or two of the youths being escorted off the estate by police. If
so long may it continue, Weds 17th a group of youths did return but
it was noticed the possible leaders were missing. The
group did not hang about as long as usual, even tho they attempted
some distruption. they
soon broke up and went on their way,have the residents and police nipped
the problem in the bud before it got
any worst,or am i wishfull thinking ? i hope not. The
LEP did make our problem sound as tho we were living in the bronx,but it
brought it to the attention of
the powers that be that the residents of both larcher,s and Savic area's were having
problems. which
also created fear for staff in the local shops. What
the residents of the estates would not require, is what happens in
other area's for shop keepers to say enough
is enough and close up leaving the area's with an even more limited choice
of shops, resulting
in the boarding up of the premises to give access for more graffity
to be on view ! Whilst
the outcry over recent distruption on the estates may not be at an end ?
the right signal's i hope will
get through that such behavior will not be accepted by the bulk of
residents. and
those involved will be made aware that such distruption will not be
tolerated by residents. As
i mentione'd in my first contact with your web site, a contact number for
residence too pass on the wereabouts
of large groups of youths gathering, and alert the police of the
situation before any damage is
the resulting factor
Hi, Well done on the web site, it’s a great way to get people together in Larches. Anyway, I was walking round Larches lastnight and it was really quitet (could this be because of your web site???), I’m not sure if it will be long before the kids start the usual things again and start hanging round the Late Shop……. They havn’t got a lot to do round there. Keep up the good work with the site.
I know that people have been talking about the problems of Larches, and Savick over the past few days, but I thought I’d write to you about another problem. The amount of stray dogs, and dog dirt that is in the area. This is really unsafe for our kids, and if the owners are going to have dogs, they should clean up after them.
Let us know if this is a problem in your area... email : larches_c@hotmail.com
I read the “dogs” email, and didn’t think that there was much of a problem. I’m not a dog owner, but I’ve just come back from the shops, and if you look on the pavement (I’m not going to say where, because its not fair to the people who live there), there loads of dog’s dirt. I love dogs, and I would be quite happy to clean up after one if I had one. It only takes a minute. Plus which, there is a really serious health problem with dog’s dirt. Plus which, souldn't the council be doing something to help too?
I think the web site is great by the way!
I
don't know about everyone else but our house seems to be singled out for
stone-throwing. We regularly have stones thrown at our front window. The
most recent was last Monday night. When I chased the little 'tykes' they
joined up with a much large group. What was surprising was that they all
ran, about 20 of them and me. What
can be done? Yeah the capital punishment approach sounds fine but in the
long run it doesn't work, however it might make me feel better. I
suppose it is down to boredom but I am not an apologist for their
behaviour. I remember hanging around when I was a kid, the police would
move us on but then we weren't doing any harm. I never tried to damage
property. And it was Northern Ireland. I
hate to sound like a liberal but there should be somewhere for them to go
where they can do things, challenging things, yes there is more to life
when you are a teenager than playing chess or draughts . Is there a youth
club on the estate or something like that. Select the natural leaders and
give them the tools to organise competetive sport of some sort. The
police have been slow on the uptake with this. Recently there have been 2
bobbies walking the estate and those were quiet nights however the first
night they disappeared, friday last week , the estate was heaving with
kids again. The police are only part of the solution not the complete
answer. I
have 2 kids, 4.5 and 1.5, work ,do night school and cannot do community
work in the evenings but there must be some people out there who can. There
needs to be people out on the street who can recognise these kids who are
causing trouble and let their parents know how they are behaving. I had
occasion to chase some kids a few years ago, I caught one of them who
promply told me where he and his friends lived. The mother of one of the
kids gave me a mouthful but the father of the other was extremely
apologetic and when his kids came home with the other mate, he escorted
them back here and they apologised. I haven't seen them since. I am glad this site has been set up, if only to allow me to moan. Reading the stuff might give an idea, or it might let the police and Community people know of the extent of the problem.
Larches
is definitely not the Bronx, but the "yob" problem does need to
be sorted. Having
spent some time away from the Larches, it was quite obvious that the
estate is looking run down. Apart from the graffiti, there is a lot
of litter, a vandalised phonebox (no panels today), grass verges used as
car parks, poor street lighting, and I cannot remember the last time I saw
a "bobby" on the beat. What
is the council going to do to improve the activities available to the
youngsters on the Larches Estate ?
I
have recently moved to the area, only after careful consideration, and
would like to point out that I would not have moved here, if I had thought
there was a problem! Where I previously lived in Ashton there too
was groups of kids, the Hotel near my flat was noisy, and during the
"firework" season I had to chase kids away from my car that were
setting off rockets in the street, I have not had this problem in
the Larches. I
agree at times there are groups of youngsters hanging around, those that I
have seen are not causing a problem, other than standing in the street. The
street that I live in is very quite, however I would agree about the dog
problem. I believe that the LEP was irresponsible in branding the
area the Bronx, when it is only a small area and a small group of people
causing a problem, the Bronx is a large highly troubled area. Keep
up the good work, nice web site. email address supplied
Its about time that someone asked the councillors and the local media about the responsibility they have in the community. They seem to think that they can print what they want and it won’t affect the people who live there. THEY JUST DON’T THINK ABOUT IT. How would they feel if a story like this was printed about there area? Would they just do nothing, and say nonthing? Also, the councillors have to remember that we have the power to vote them out. Thanks for the opertunity to get things off my chest. email address supplied
I like your E Mail re dogs.
Am an ex dog owner,and appriciate the writer's concern,there is enough health problems regarding animals concerning lack of control, i dont only mean only cats & dogs ! animals in our food chain have been held in contempt also cows, sheep,& hens to name three.
The powers that be set restrictions on such animals,restrictions and control in the hope such controls will be upheld.as far as domesticated animals are concerned they do likewise for dogs ie notices regarding dogs on leads ,but some owners will still alow dogs around the area without one, so were most dog owners abide by the laws there are still those who dont and as such we dont agree with the resulting factor's but now turn a blind eye to the unacceptable everyone is at risk through dogs dirt but untill the people concerned have the unsociable conduct brought home to them they will continue to remain dogmatic regarding there dogs right to wander. email address supplied
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